Can We Talk About Bal Now??, anyone?? anything??

[Green Gretsch]

World of Swing: bal-swing 2. Marcus, baerbl, Steve & Denise. At the end there is a jam session.

[Gogo]

Triple Bal question:
The way I learned it, you do the first triple with your right foot shuffling backwards (on the 3) and then you do the second triple step with your left foot shuffling forwards (on the 7).

Lately I see most folks doing both of their shuffles going backwards, which essentially makes them Bal in place and eliminates the forward and backward motion. It's definitely easier. Some people don't even really do a triple shuffle it's more like a step step scuff step.

Is this the lazy version of it or what? Just wondering.

[Green Gretsch]

I've seen people triple off to the side.

I triple back both on the rare occasion that I try tripling but that's mostly because I suck at it.

Is the forward and back motions that important?

This post has been edited by Green Gretsch on Apr 2, 2003 05:10 PM

[Gogo]

Personally I don't think it's that important. Like I said that's just the way learned it. I think it actually looks better with both of the shuffles going backwards.

Never thought of doing them to the side though. Hmmmm........ :mellow:

[Green Gretsch]

The way a lot of people describe it. you NEED it. :huh:

[Gogo]

I need wuh?? What chu talkin bout Willis? :huh:

[Green Gretsch]

I was talking about the back and forth motion...but um. yeah. hey how about those comearounds.

[Gogo]

I dunno Gretsch what about them?

[Green Gretsch]

hey gogo,
did they play some zydeco for you to bal to at the dragon's belly?

Anyway, a lot of people explain balboa as having a forward and backward motion to it. Some people say its neccessary and others say you should shuffle in place. So I was wondering what peoples thoughts were.

[Gogo]

Gretsch: hey how about those comearounds.
Me:I dunno Gretsch what about them?

My question was actually referring to your inquiry about comearounds.

But anyway to answer your other question, yes I think the back and forth motion is vital, at least in the basic. But c'mon bro you know that. ;)

[Green Gretsch]

QUOTE (Gogo @ Apr 3, 2003 02:34 AM)

I need wuh?? What chu talkin bout Willis?  :huh:

Willis was referring to the forward back motion.

The comearound was a rhetorical question. But since we're on that topic, I do my comearounds preceded by a transition step that I learned from Steve and heidi. I noticed that alex and joanie do thiers differently. I've had trouble leading it before and I was wondering with the different ways to do the comearound, if people had issues leading and following the move.

[El Moco]

there is only one way to do the 'comearound' but multiple ways to get into it. remember that young padawan

you do yours with a half crossover, alex and joanie do it on the fly, more pure bal based

[Green Gretsch]

QUOTE (El Moco @ Apr 4, 2003 02:28 AM)

there is only one way to do the 'comearound' but multiple ways to get into it. remember that young padawan

thats a good axiom

[Green Gretsch]

When you go from spike out to an apache in the comearound, when do you put the arm behind the back? I am catching on 3 and send the arm back on 4. Is that right or is it too late?

[n_b]

What's an apache? Is that what we were trying to do last night? Or, rather, I was trying, and you were pretty much doing :)

[lindyprof]

QUOTE (n_b @ Apr 10, 2003 02:50 PM)

What's an apache? Is that what we were trying to do last night? Or, rather, I was trying, and you were pretty much doing :)

apache = texas tommy (a.k.a. arm breaker)

[Gogo]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on most apache moves, grab and flip the follow's arm behind her all on the 3 (for example Maxie slide). It's quick so make sure you don't force it and of course make sure she's comfortable with the move. If not, then try an apache move that doesn't require much quickness and gives you more prep time-- as in right out of basic.

I don't think I've ever done an apache out of a spike out so I'll have to work it out next time I go dancing.

[GemZombie]

QUOTE (Gogo @ Apr 10, 2003 02:04 PM)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on most apache moves, grab and flip the follow's arm behind her all on the 3 (for example Maxie slide). It's quick so make sure you don't force it and of course make sure she's comfortable with the move. If not, then try an apache move that doesn't require much quickness and gives you more prep time-- as in right out of basic. I don't think I've ever done an apache out of a spike out so I'll have to work it out next time I go dancing.

In bal, yes. You have to have her hand behind her back on three while steping down (think break timing).

Well, have to is a bad way of putting it, but for that move (Maxie's slide), yes.

[Green Gretsch]

n_b, I'm trying to make it easier for you. it could be entirely possible that if you had trouble, I may have been the cause. did you have a hard time?

This is what I've been doing. spike out on 7 and 8. either free spin or inside turn. On the free spin, I catch over the top of the follows hand on 3 and go for the apache. & 4 is the behind the back motion and switch hands.

I don't see how you can have the follows hand behind her back on 3 when on 2 she's just starting to come out of her spin.

[n_b]

QUOTE (Green Gretsch @ Apr 10, 2003 02:21 PM)

5{ing to make it easier for you. it could be entirely possible that if you had trouble, I may have been the cause. did you have a hard time? This is what I've been doing. spike out on 7 and 8. either free spin or inside turn. On the free spin, I catch over the top of the follows hand on 3 and go for the apache. & 4 is the behind the back motion and switch hands. I don't see how you can have the follows hand behind her back on 3 when on 2 she's just starting to come out of her spin.

No, actually, it's me, cause I never could quite sort out my footwork on that one. I've actually been shown three different ways to do that move. You do step 3 (break arm)-hold 4, Heidi showed me tap (no stepping) on 3 -step back on 4, and somebody else showed me step 3- step 4-step 5 -spin without stepping through 6 and right into the spikeout on 7. Well, what I do, of course, is not independent of the lead, but, in any event, I'm still not sure what works best for me. Although I don't think I like step 3 - hold 4, is that what everybody does?

[gamelan]

what the heck is the "spikeout"?

-j-

[Gogo]

It's the same as a "throwout". And if I understood Mr. Moco correctly, the throwout is the prep-step, when you create the seperation between you and the follow before you turn the follow-- for example out of a come around.

[Green Gretsch]

sometimes called a sendout

[BigDaddyK]

QUOTE (Gogo @ Apr 15, 2003 10:04 AM)

It's the same as a "throwout". And if I understood Mr. Moco correctly, the throwout is the prep-step, when you create the seperation between you and the follow before you turn the follow-- for example out of a come around.

no no no, the throw out is not the PRE-step

the comearound is...


think of it this way


the comearound acts as bookends for most moves that you do. you start a move with it, and you end a move with it


the throw-out/send-out/spike-out is a move that starts with a comearound, and on seven you are completly seperate from your follow, and then you free spin her in (most of the time) and then comearound on 3 again. back into basic


does that help?

ask Carolyn, she knows all this, she ROCKS

[Ghetto Dancer]

What happened to Carolyn :wub:

She is such a cutie pie

[Carolyn S.]

QUOTE (Ghetto Dancer @ Apr 15, 2003 05:02 PM)

What happened to Carolyn :wub: She is such a cutie pie

:D I'm here! Sorry fellas - busy dancing with the wonderful Bal leads at the DC Exchange! Just over a month until All Bal in Cleveland - Wooohooooooooo

[Green Gretsch]

Carolyn,
you have to come back with some bal goodness from cleveland and teach us.
I missed the chance to dance with you last night.

[Gogo]

QUOTE

the comearound acts as bookends for most moves that you do. you start a move with it, and you end a move with it

Cool.... I never knew that.

QUOTE

the throw-out/send-out/spike-out is a move that starts with a comearound, and on seven you are completly seperate from your follow, and then you free spin her in (most of the time) and then comearound on 3 again. back into basic

That's exactly what I was trying to say but you did a better job of splainin' it. ^_^

[Carolyn S.]

QUOTE (Green Gretsch @ Apr 16, 2003 08:54 AM)

Carolyn, you have to come back with some bal goodness from cleveland and teach us.  I missed the chance to dance with you last night.

I will try Green. You missed it last night, I was working with Tanoa to show Jason and Lalo Maxie's slide.

I love that move! :D

[Green Gretsch]

when does yer arm go behind yer back? yar! :arrr: or something